We'rebringing a level of Clear (Winchester Wikipedia Page) 27 Item(s) Found Page 1 1. The slide handle of early duck guns was round with 18 circular grooves. Askins stated in Modern Shotguns and Loads: All shotguns which are intended for long range work.should be patterned at 60 yards. Continuing, loads which pattern around 85% [at 40 yards] have that quality which will permit them to continue a pattern on down the range.Askins found that each yard of range beyond 40 yards reduced pattern density by an average of two percent. The balance point is the takedown joint. Factory original Model 12s with round post ribs were made by Winchester, not Simmons. Winchester Model 42 Slide Action Shotgun with Simmons Vent Rib Notes - Delivery *Estimated delivery dates include seller's handling time, origin ZIP Code, destination ZIP Code and time of acceptance and will depend on shipping service selected and receipt of cleared payment. It is in excellent condition with only light handing marks, Used Browning BT99 Plus 12 gauge 28" bbl fixed choke mod good condition no box no manuals Buyer pays shipping Millers Gun Center Located in New Castle, Delaware "Home of TAX, WINCHESTER MODEL 12 16GA PUMP ACTION SHOTGUN, 26" BBL, 2 3/4, POLY CHOKE, RIBLESS, EJECTORS, SINGLE TRIGGER, MEDIUM DARK FIGURED WALNUT, PISTOL GRIP, LOP 14 3/8, 1 1/2, 2 5/16, 7LBS 3OZ, 985 BLUE, Winchester. Westerns copper-plated shot, introduced about 1925, extended shotgun range even further. I included tungsten polymer shot because it is non-toxic to waterfowl and has the same density as lead. The slide handle was enlarged in about 1956 to a slightly extended beaver tail shape with 14 circular grooves. The rib wasn't offered until 1954 according to the Dave Riffle Model 12 book so it wasn't originally produced at the Winchester Factory. Look for an offset proof mark on the barrel to indicate whether the rib came on the gun or was fitted aftermarket. 3-inch Super Twelve Shotshell My copy of Winchesters Catalog No. Like new with a mark on the top of th, Winchester Model 21 Heavy Duck, 12ga, 30" barrels, solid rib, 3" mag. Add to Cart Winchester 12 12 Gauge (W9744) $995.00 Winchester 12 12 Gauge shotgun. WE DO NOT SHIP INTERNATIONALLY $40 Shipping. Writing in the March 1927 issue of the American Rifleman, Askins reports that his Remington Model 10 12-gauge pump averaged 89% of 1 1/4-ounces of shot in a 3-inch circle at 40 yards. The new value of a WINCHESTER MODEL 12 shotgun has fallen ($937.31) dollars over the past 12 months to a price of $484.80 . The help you need is to get a life. Delivery times may vary, especially during peak periods. The era of plentiful ducks and liberal bag limits was also ending. You are correct. Used Winchester Model 12 20 Gauge 26" barrel WS-1 choked skeet Cutts compensator with restriction inserts good condition reduced, Winchester Model 12 Pigeon Grade 12 Gauge. Length of pull was reduced in January 1936 to reflect the extra clothing worn by duck hunters. When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. I have often wondered how well my guns would pattern with modern ammunition. 1955 Winchester Model 12 20 GA Simmons Rib AA+ Wood Chamber marked 2 3/4", choke marked full, and 14" LOP. The Model 12 2 pin rib has always been "KING" but don't turn you nose up @ a Dounut Post model 12 as production in Trap & Skeet model only lasted from late 1955 to 1956 then round post was alternate rib to the 2 pin. This percentage was disappointing compared to the 80% or better patterns obtained with other duck guns tested by the staff. the ventilated rib is by simmons gin works. Popularly named the Perfect Repeater at its introduction, it largely set the standard for pump action shotguns over its 51-year high-rate production life. Buckingham recorded his adventures in some of the best hunting stories ever written. PDF March 31, 2023 GUN LOT LIST Page #1 - rgilliganauctions.com It was John Olin who inspired Westerns revolutionary Super-Xshotshell in 1921. Winchester Model 12 12 GA For Sale Winchester 12 GA Model 12. The receiver is heavier and so is the barrel. Here-tofore, you could only shoot this weight of shot in a 10-gauge double gun with 2 7/8-inch chambers, or the new Ithaca Magnum 10. I would think if you did shoot you proble flinch like heck becouse ther must be a lot of jerk in you. Eight major concealed carry insurance programs are now available to the millions of Americans who carry concealed. The history of Oliver F. Winchester (1810-1880) and his endeavors in the manufacturing of fire-arm sat Bridgeport and New Haven, Connecticut, is filled with circumstances that could have led to corporate failure. Winchester Model 12 16 ga NIB Never Assembled! Winchester proof steel replaced nickel steel in the manufacture of all Winchester firearms in the early 1930s. Beautifully figured wood is solid with only light handling marks and marks on bo, This Winchester Model 12 started life in 1924 and has been customized by unknown individual at some point. I sold 41 model 12's and 21's at a gun auction in Wichita Kansas to accommodate the move. The funds are returned to the states for wildlife restoration projects. . The straighter stock reduced perceived recoil. Simmons also removed Solid Ribs from barrels and added his rib to those barrels. Dolphin717, please give us a page reference in Stadt where he mentions Simmons sending Model 12s with ribs back to Winchester for finishing, and/or marketing. Full choke was the only standard boring available. w/ 22" barrel in original box w/ paperwork 1 of 1,000 #UG5 2 Paul Jaeger Jenkintown, PA. 30-06 cal. As to price, it will also depend on gauge, barrel length, choke, barrel steel, wood type, pad vs. plate, etc. The silhouette provides a precise aiming point. Very Good example of a Model 12 26 inch poly choke with vent rib 12 ga. Other conditions: Phone 715-478-0404 within 48 hours to confirm payment, . The slide handle was given a larger diameter, flat bottom and 14 grooves on each side of the handle about 1947. 1937 2pin vent rib offerd, all skeet grade guns offerd with solid or plain barrels. My wife shot her share of ducks with a 20-gauge autoloader bored Improved Cylinder shooting one ounce of #7 1/2-shot. "SN:561491. Small depression in the magazine tube, as shown in pictures. Since you in Kansas; ever deal with now deceased Felix Bedlan @ Fairbury, Neb. That luck ran out following World War I when the arms industry declined and the management of Winchester was relinquished to outsiders. If you pull the trigger and the shell does not fire you must push the slide handle forward to unlock the action. Guns.com pledges to make gun buying easy, to support local gun stores, and to serve our later on flinching became a problem with 12 gauge shooters becouse of 300 round tournaments. very accurate description and fast delivery, HOCH Reloading Single Cavity Mold c56 309170 .309 170gr nose pour NICE (#334593408927), Arrived quickly, well packaged, item is as described. I don't believe it has been fired. 2023 Rock Island Auction Company. Winchester Model 12 28 Gauge (W9229) Price: $3,250.00 Item Number: W9229 Previously sold Winchester Model 12 28 Gauge shotgun. The stock has a hard-rubber plate and a real, full pistol grip carved close to the guard. These are rare, a line can be seen along the dounut post on both sides. Winchester Model 1300 Speed Pump - 12 GA $395.00: 0 $395.00 1d 15h 33m 17222600. It has a Simmons rib, which is not out of the question for Winchester to have used according to Maddis in his book of the model 12's. The metal finish is superior to a field grade gun, higher polish and a matted receiver top and magazine tube. BARREL 30" CHOKE FULL 90% FACTORY BLUE ORIGINAL FACTORY HEAVY DUCK RECOIL PAD WOOD VERY GOOD. Number 8 and 2 shot provided wider and more even patterns with no center thickening. Askins and Buckingham would sure be surprised at how far the 12 magnum has come. I pick them up through the interlacing covert, a bunch of suspicious mallards driving for safety. Not shown in the table of results are the dense centers of patterns obtained with #4 shot compared to # 8 and #2 shot. Exquisite Winchester Model 12, 20 gauge with Modified bore. George Madis indicates in his book The Winchester Model Twelve that about 18,000 Model 12 duck guns were sold during the 1935-1941 period. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Nash Buckingham was one of the great duck-hunting writers of the period. The first was helping the gunsmiths. WINCHESTER MODEL 12 New and Used Price, Value, & Trends 2023 Madis states Ventilated ribs were rarely offered on [duck] guns. However, The fact is a few duck guns were provided with these ribs. Dave Riffles book and the various catalogs I have indicate that the Winchester new ventilated rib was an option from about 1954 to 1959. View cart for details. Click here for more information. Get Guns.com offers and news!! Askins rule of thumb of 70 years ago still pertains with modern lead-shot ammunition. No. says Madis. Its been debated over the years if the solid rib model 12 barrel were silver brazed or fused with heat? Winchester made changes to the stock of the Model 12 duck gun after its introduction. My 1951 Winchester Ammunition Handbook gives a comparison of 17 to 11 feet at 60 yards. The stock finish is original and excellent. Smith & Wesson Model 586: Reviewing A .357 Revolver With Class. Included with the gun is its orig, Winchester Model 12, 28 Gauge in very good to near fine original condition. An 80% pattern they felt should make it a real 60-yard outfit with No. Great communications. Gun #: 978404477 Seller: Sportsmans Legacy GA Sales: 739 $25,000.00 When I went to the university in a different town I worked for another gun shop that was an authorized Winchester Repair Center. But I manage to concentrate, find the combination, and center a pair of easy sprigs. Winchester Model 12 with checkered forearm (slide handle) b'. Bob Hinman, in his 1972 GUN DIGEST article Ten Cents a Duck, notes that Shooting for the market was at one time a way of life for thousands of Americas skilled shotgunners.. The Winchester Model 1912 (also commonly known as the Model 12, or M12) is an internal-hammer pump-action shotgun with an external tube magazine. $899.97. In 1960, length of pull was increased to 13-3/4 inches on duck guns. SERIAL NUMBER 39346 NO ALTERATIONS OF WOOD OR METAL. 30 Barrel. By 1955, the options were matted rib, ventilated rib, straight or pistol grip stock and buttstock and extension slide handle checkered. Solid rib model 12 made in 1954. Shopping at Guns.com gives you the backing Winchester sent some M-12s to Simmons to have ribs installed, Simmons returned them to Win. The Model 12 Duck Gun is a highly specialized tool for hunters who need to put a lot of shot on target at 60 yards or more. Manufactured in 1962. The less pronounced pistol grip-style buttstock of the original Model 12 was discontinued in late 1934 and is not found on duck guns. No Reserve. Everything functions as it should. But getting back to the original question, a Simmons rib does detract from the value of a Model 12 and most people will turn away from them. The number of pellet holes was divided by the average number of pellets in the load to produce the pattern percentage. Numbers match on barrel and receiver. Model 12, What is it? | Winchester Shotguns | Forum | Winchester We have a The Olins used the Western ammunition plant at East Alton, Illinois, as collateral for borrowing about four million in cash, no small feat in the fall of 1931. Along in the 1920s a few bold souls had long-chambered [3-inch], overbored, long-barreled, and heavy, long range 12-gauge Magnum double guns built. Olin included his new Super-X magnum 3-inch shells loaded with 1 3/8 ounces of shot. Yes the 2-pin milled rib was costly to manufacture. The gun weighed 8 1/2 pounds with its 32-inch Full choke barrel. When I dress Western, nothing beats the classic good looks of my Smith & Wesson (S&W) 586 .357 revolver. Gun Digest editors know guns so you know guns. The Model 12 was about 40 percent more expensive than the '97, yet it consistently outsold its older brother during the 45-year-span they shared in the Winchester catalog. Generally, a Simmons rib gun will bring a higher price than a plain barrel gun, and a lower price than a solid rib or Winchester vent rib gun, all other factors being equal. The short shot string put more shot into a duck whistling by at 50 yards. Charles Askins was the leading expert on shotguns in the first half of the last century. 30" Vent Rib Excellent White Front . This combination, which averaged 83.6% at 40 yards, averaged 44.2% at 60 yards! Winchester symbol # G1285S. All Model 12 shotguns have an action slide lock that keeps the action closed and locked in the event of a misfire or hang-fire. These were called long-range waterfowl guns.. a post would have spent 281.5 hours trying to correct off handed remarks as a expert about winchester model 12's & 42's. Whether you're looking for a truck gun, something for the bug out bag, or a do-anything firearm we have you covered. Winchester - Model 12 Factory Try-Gun, 12ga, 30" Barrel. The 12 month average price is $622.51 new and $661.18 used. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. It was manufactured in 1962 and is a skeet grade. In an ad in the October 1952 American Rifleman, Winchester proclaimed. Winchester Model 12 Original and Reproduction Firearm Gun Parts Today I have a nice collection of them, mostly target grade guns. THIS SHOTGUN WAS A LIMITED RUN OF 4000 MADE BETWEEN 93-95. I don't believe their ever was a royalty, actually Simmons kept selling his special vent rib model 12's after the 1955 introduction of the Winchester Special Vent Rib @ New Haven. There are Simmons marketed guns with proper Winchester proof marks. . He worked with another Winchester researcher. Bluing is in overall very good condition. This gun has been single family owned since bought used in 1967. Guns.com is built to be simple easily organized products, useful descriptions from experts, and support to guide you to the right choice. Another sign of an after factory rib were the numer of 30" Full field guns later ribbed either with Simmons or MoneyMaker ventilated ribs, but the top milled groove in the receiver was a dead-give-away as to that, and when the Model 12 ruled the ATA roost, I am sure many "newbies" bought those modified and restocked field guns and thought - "Wow- now I have a Model 12 Trap gun- look out Vandalia, here I come"--I have several post 1935 12 gauge Model 12 buttstocks and also 18 ring forearms in my "parts boxes, also older logo and non-logo repro 12 gauge black bakelite buttplates-the 16 and 20 and 28- all on the same size receiver, take the same stock configuration. My 1953 duck gun has the factory solid rib. If not it has been shot very little and stored under the right conditions. . part of our network, we sell THEIR guns first whenever possible. No Reserve. Has a Cutz on the end of the barrel. Although the quality of the rib will be the same as the original Winchester, the only way a Simmons rib looks OK on a Model 12 is if they DON'T put their silly name down the side of the rib. It is first shooting light. Only rib extensions of the same width as the factory ventilate drib are found on receivers of duck guns. You are also correct that the different rib styles used on Model 12's can get confusing..EG. There are 16 pages of loads for various shell lengths, shot sizes (dust through buck, soft or chilled), five powders, five shell grades and 11 gauges. Results and Discussion The paired pattern percentages fired by the two duck guns with each of the five loads were not significantly different, judging by the overlapping standard deviations. That way, were helping small businesses in Winchester Model 12 Ribs? | Shotgun Forum Consider the possibility of a hang-fire, an occasional event in 1912, in a gun without the slide lock feature. Winchester ~ Model 12 Custom~ 12 GA | Cabela's Note: The posting of Copyrighted material on this forum is prohibited without Stock is very fine, with light scratching, pressure dents and an attractive grain pattern. The latest 2-pin rib gun researched has a serial number of 19114xx with a date of August 26th, 1960. The duck guns reputation was made with the one and five-eighths ounce load, the heaviest 12 magnum load from about 1935 to the mid-1950s. And, as WRACO states, Simmons installed Model 12 ribbed guns were sold by Simmons, not Winchester. Free Shipping, No Credit Card Fees. We join Buckingham in his ducking skiff as he is poled through the bayou by Ab, his black guide. is 14" with pad. According to the Serial# 1439865, and Winchester manufacturing records, this gun w. 12ga, #366988, 30 inch barrel, 2 1/2 inch chamber, full choke, solid rib, blue finish, straight grip checkered walnut stock, checkered walnut forearm, 13 3/4 LOP with "newer" Winchester pad, 12ga, #1417110, 30 inch barrel, 3 inch chamber, full choke, blue finish, walnut stock and forearm, solid rib, original red rubber pad, 1954. Firearms dont get much more iconic than John Moses Brownings legendary Auto-5 semi-auto shotgun, affectionately called the Humpback for its distinctive drop at the rear of the receiver. This likely was the last mention of solid ribs in Winchester literature. The duck gun was discontinued in 1963. Standard markings, with matching numbers on the receiver and barrel. Charles Askins may have influenced the decision. Franklin and his two sons John M. Olin and Spencer T. Olin were the managers of Olin Industries and Western Cartridge Company in 1931. Western rapidly achieved a leading position in the ammunition industry through innovation and skillful management. The late style stock featured a flared pistol grip moved back a bit from the trigger. Original appearing donut post and round post vent rib Model 12s with no Simmons markings and proof marks in the proper places are generally thought by collectors to have been made to completion in the Winchester factory. Total production reached two million. Charles Askins commented on the new Model 12 duck gun in the March 1936 issue of Outdoor Life: This should be the best long-range repeating shotgun now made or that has been made. No faint praise, but hardly a surprise. Winchester Model 12 Shotguns For Sale Shotgun Winchester Model 12. The famous Winchester Model 1912 pump shotgun was designed by Winchester's Thomas C. Johnson. Winchester Model 12 16Ga Pump Shotgun 28" Excellent condition Made in 1939 Gun #: 903285649 Seller: JerArms GA Sales: 60 $872.00 Full Details More from this Seller 1 Image (s) Winston Churchill custom Winchester Model 12 Pigeon 20 gauge, gold relief, staggering wood, provenan. The Winchester Model 12 Heavy Duck Gun Proved Itself a Shooter to be finishedat least thats what Stadt says in his book"Winchester, Shotguns and Shotshells"very interesting book.a little different look at M-12 than Madis and Riffle.WC. Stadt's book is a very good book that alot of people don't seem to know about. Rangemasters are here to answer all your questions about our products or process. John Olin initiated an analysis of Winchesters commercial line in 1942. The Gun and the Times The Model 12 duck gun examined by the staff of the American Rifleman in 1936 was the earliest version. Winchester Model 1300 Speed Pump - 12 GA $395.00: 0 $395.00 5d 15h 14m I was in Jr college then. , Excellent Winchester Model 12 12 gauge Deluxe Skeet gun with factory issued Cutts Compensator. The near nine-pound Model 12 duck gun is an anachronism among todays waterfowl hunting shotguns. Winchester designed the Model 42 to use the new shell and the combo went to market in 1932. Wood is in very good condition showing very little handling or wear marks. It also got a new action slide. 4 chilled shot.. Winchester Model 12 12 ga 26" oal aftermarket poly choke and vent rib Could it be that the intended rough usage led to lack of care in the fitting of parts of early duck guns? Buy Winchester model 12 26" vent rib poly choke barrel: GunBroker is the largest seller of Pump Action Shotguns Shotguns Guns & Firearms All: 973937149 . 14" LOP OVER THE ORIGINAL W, Up for sale I have a 100% NIB Winchester model 12 chambered in 16ga. DAC 1 1/2"&n, FRO YOUR VIEWING IS A EXCEPTIONALY NICE MODEL 12 IN 3' HEAVY DUCK. It won't be a collector but a shooter and should draw some attention. The gun looked to be in excellent condition except some nitwit had inlayed a white plastic diamond in the stock at some point. Its failure to release on discharge made it impossible to shoot doubles [at skeet] with this particular sample. The staff concluded, Mechanically, the sample was not as good as other guns of the same model. Noted were machine marks on the breech bolt, wood not closely fitted, primers struck off center and sharp edges at the chamber. Instead of buying a gun thats Since Every shotgun manufacturer is a friend of mine, Askins views were well known in the industry. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. I RATE THE BLUING AT 98% AND THE WOOD AT 96+%. Condition: excellent bright bore, 98% blue overall thinn, Winchester Model 12. The Nylon 66, a relatively inexpensive rimfire with faux woodgrain, was the first successful synthetic-stock firearm. Actually, it is generally thought by researchers that no Winchester factory Model 12 ribs were made or installed by Simmons. I would think if you did shoot you proble flinch like heck becouse ther must be a lot of jerk in you. After college and had some $$$ I started collecting them. The deeply blued barrel and receiver frame are very good. A new chamber ring and a # 1 heavy draw adjusting sleeve. Ernie Simmons of Olathe, Kansas, a gunsmithing "whiz-kid" and a fairly good skeet shooter to boot-they were involved in the later cost-saving Winchester ventilated ribs for various Winchester shotguns- Model 12's, Model 50's, possibly Model 21's-. I have a donut post trap gun but not a pigeon, had two 3 inch guns, one had donut post the other had a round post. A lot of us will have to begin learning to hit long-range ducks. Sounds like an invitation to join the long-range duck hunting cult! Model 42s with donut post ribs, no Simmons markings, proof marks in the right places, in the proper serial number range, are considered to have been made to completion in the Winchester factory. Free Shipping, No Credit Card Fees. prior written consent of the Copyright holder. I rebuilt all of the trigger assemble with all new parts just reusing the guard. Chamber marked 3", choke marked full, and 14 1/2" LOP. winchester model 12 description: for sale is a very nice vintage winchester model 12, 12ga ga shotgun. The trap load was included because trap shooting is suited to the duck gun. Remington's Nylon 66 semi-automatic .22 LR rifles have grown from 1950s bargain buys to 21st century collectors darlings. own to figure out what you want. Mechanically, the Model 12 duck gun differs little in design from the standard Model 12. Askins wrote in his 1929 book Modern Shotguns and Loads: Perhaps half the game that is killed in America today is shot with repeating shotguns, pump or automatic. Winchester Model 12 1940's gun. Winchester ~ Model 12 Trap ~ Pump Action Shotgun ~ 12 Gauge. Winchester Model 12 12 GA For Sale - GunAuction.com John Olin wanted a new 3-inch .410 shotshell with 3/4-ounce of shot for Winchesters new Model 42. Get the 76th edition of the World's Greatest Gun Book. The magnitude of this sale is appreciated when you realize how few of the special 10- and 12-gauge magnum double guns were sold. It looks like it is in very good shape. Built from 1912 to 1963. Market hunting was legislated out of existence in the late teens. Winchester Model 12 Heavy Duck Gun 30" Simmons Vent Rib 1953 Pre-64 So here is a history lesson on the skeet grade. Has 30" barrel choked Full. Most sellers have no idea what they are selling. ONLY ONE EVER PRODUCED BY WINCHESTER, ULIMATE RARITY. Chamber marked 2 3/4", choke marked full, and 13 1/8" LOP. Ducks Unlimited was born in 1937 to aid in restoration of wetland breeding areas, primarily in Canada. I have the wood all refinished. The $48 price tag was right. H. Lea Lawrence relates in his 2001 GUN DIGEST article, The Saga of Bo Whoop, that in 1921 John Olin sent Buckingham his personal heavy double, a custom-choked Super Fox, for testing. This was after extensive reworking of the chokes by Ithaca. - Top Rated Plus - opens in a new window or tab, - eBay Money Back Guarantee - opens in a new window or tab. Ab steadies the boat. (no choke stamp on barrel). I believe the blueing to be original. A forum community dedicated to Trap shooting enthusiasts. be complicated. Charles Askins is the father of the late Colonel Charles Askins, Jr., of course. Alex, we don't have enough info to give you an informed opinion.